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Posts Tagged ‘Tropical zodiac and Sidereal zodiac’

Astrology: More on Tropical vs. Sidereal Zodiac and Your “Real” Sign

Monday, March 25th, 2013
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Recently, I received the following e-mail:

“I read two articles by you. They were both false. I even typed in Google \’the petullo twins fake\’ to see if it was a joke or something. I not just here to give you harsh criticism. I really just want to know why you havent left the system that turned out to be fake. Theres only one zodiac and its the right one. Vedic astrology.” (anonymous)

He (or she) didn’t specify which articles he read, but it seems like he read my writings about why the Sidereal zodiac is a flawed system in relation to the Ascendant (Rising sign) and other ways.

It would have been more interesting had this person offered his opinion on why the Tropical zodiac is “fake,” or why he believes the Sidereal zodiac is the “right one,” but anonymous platitude-filled e-mails criticizing my philosophies are interesting enough.

Ultimately, the system utilized is immaterial, as long as you consistently, accurately outline personality and personal fate—how you do it isn’t important.

More on this topic, and the ever common “your real sign” conundrum, here: The Truth About Your Real Astrological Sun Sign.

Copyright © 2013 Scott Petullo

The Truth About Your Real Astrological Sun Sign

Monday, August 20th, 2012
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The debate about whether to use the Tropical zodiac, or the Sidereal zodiac, the basis for Hindu astrology (otherwise known as “Vedic,” “Jyotish,” or “Indian”), continues.

The difference between the two zodiacs equates to about an entire sign, resulting in your Sun sign being in Virgo under the Tropical zodiac, but in Leo in the Sidereal zodiac, having been born September 3rd, for example.

Bill Nye, “The Science Guy,” states in this video, that your sign has changed; it isn’t what it was 2000 years ago, “…when the Babylonians made all of this up…,” and that “…astrologers are off one full sign.”

Unfortunately, Mr. Nye doesn’t appear to realize that there are two different zodiacs and he is referring to astrology based on the constellations (Sidereal), not Western astrology (Tropical).

He also doesn’t seem to realize that precession (“…the Earth has wobbled like a top…”), which yields an approximate one degree discrepancy every 70 years (an entire sign about every 2000 years), is, using the Tropical zodiac, only potentially a problem with transits and similar timing factors, and Tropical zodiac software programs automatically make the adjustment to avoid errors.

5 Astrology Facts:

  1. Just as in the Northern Hemisphere the spring equinox will always be at 00 degrees, 00 minutes Aries around March 21st each year, and the fall equinox will always be at 00 degrees 00 minutes Libra around September 21st each year, the sign under which you were born, using the Tropical zodiac, has not changed. For instance, if you were born June 1st, your natal Sun is in the sign of Gemini, not Taurus. Your Sun sign is determined by the Earth’s alignment with the Sun, not the constellations.
  2. The vast majority of Western astrologers rely on the Tropical zodiac.
  3. Your Rising sign (Ascendant) is where the Eastern horizon intercepts the Ecliptic. Thus, your correct Rising sign can be found using the Tropical zodiac, not the Sidereal zodiac.
  4. The origins of the Sidereal zodiac, which is based on fixed stars, is from a time of limited understanding of the solar system and this planet. I appreciate the value of fixed stars, but not how the Sidereal system fixes the degrees of the Ecliptic to them.
  5. While transits, progressions, retrogrades, and other very basic astrology factors can help you gain an understanding of the cyclical nature of life, they can’t be relied upon for prediction. These infrequent indicators just aren’t as important as other, more complex factors, which form the patterns that are necessary for comprehensive assessment. To give you an example of a trivial indicator, at this time, transiting Neptune in Pisces is squaring your natal Sun (by sign, at least) if you have a Sagittarius Sun (born approximately between November 21st and December 22nd). Such a transit suggests emotional difficulties, according to those who rely on modern astrology methodologies. However, obviously, not everyone with a Sagittarius Sun is hurting emotionally at this time. Also, countless others who don’t have natal Sun in Sagittarius are enduring emotional trauma right now. Transits, like most other indicators favored in modern astrology, are really only useful for fine-tuning an analysis based on more comprehensive, ancient methods.

More information about the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac debate here.

Sidereal Zodiac is Still Useful, But Not in a Superficial Sense

I have yet to encounter a Westerner, such as an American, who successfully uses the Sidereal zodiac, and achieves consistently high levels of accuracy in personality and predictive analysis. Tossing out a handful of astrology factors such as Mars, Moon, and Venus signs and offering psychologically-based counseling, for example, may be entertaining and a fun escape, but it won’t help you limit your risk, know true compatibility, gain authentic predictive insight, and spot personality red flags.

I believe there exist talented astrologers in India who use Sidereal zodiac based astrology (i.e., Hindu, Jyotish, Vedic), and it doesn’t matter if the seasoned professional in India offers you an erroneous and out of date Sun sign, Rising sign, Moon sign, Saturn Sign, etc., relative to the Tropical zodiac; it’s important to avoid focusing on those single, superficial factors anyway. The Eastern Indian astrologers offer accurate personality and predictive analyses because they have learned to use their complex systems (ones that are far more sophisticated than Sidereal-based systems that Westerners use) to intuitively gauge real world results, despite the zodiac disparity.

The only thing that matters in personality and predictive analysis is the result of the analysis. The two traditions, Sidereal zodiac (Eastern) and Tropical zodiac (Western) aren’t opposed to each other if the practitioners, using comprehensive approaches, offer similar, accurate results. For example, my accurate compatibility assessment matching the results of an Eastern Indian Sidereal zodiac based astrologer’s analysis shows they can be quite compatible.

Copyright © 2012 Scott Petullo

Sidereal vs. Tropical, and Sun Signs: What You Need to Know

Tuesday, December 13th, 2011
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“Under the tropical zodiac I’m a Sagittarius, but under sidereal I’m a Scorpio and everything written is just like me, so I stick to that. Why don’t you like the sidereal zodiac?”

First, your Sun sign says very little about you. You don’t really believe that 8.33% of the population (12 Sun signs, 8.33% each sign) has the same distinct personality characteristics, to the same degree, and that there are only 12 types of people, do you?

Regarding the above question about why I mostly avoid the Sidereal zodiac, to sum up, it’s antiquated and imprecise. Please see this blog post for more information:

The inquiry above implies absolute focus on Sun signs, which is very unfortunate.

The problem with focusing on only one or even a handful of indicators, such as a Sun sign, is low accuracy rates (related to outlining personality, or prediction).

You aren’t one single sign, such as “a Scorpio” or “a Sagittarius” any more than you are a hand or an eye. You are a collection of signs, planets and other heavenly bodies, and your unique configurations include key heavenly bodies that are more potent than others.

Additionally, self-analysis is notoriously skewed. For example, someone might actually believe that they are “very adaptable,” yet in reality they aren’t.

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It’s highly recommended to avoid primary focus on the Sidereal zodiac, along with trivial forms of astrology, such as Sun sign astrology. A seasoned practitioner using a solid system of checks and balances helps you to gain an edge in life and reduce your risk.

Copyright © 2011 Scott Petullo

Your Real Sign Hasn’t Changed and 11 Other Astrological Truths

Monday, January 17th, 2011
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Last week, news stories were circulating about an astronomer who claims to have made a discovery about “…restoring the original Babylonian zodiac.”

He asserts, “Your sign has changed.”

This is false.

Every so often I hear about such a “discovery,” but it’s nothing new.

Astrologers have been acknowledging precession for approximately 2140 years, since Hipparchus discovered the precession of the equinoxes.

Precession involves the seasons, such as the winter solstice on approximately December 21, beginning a little earlier every year.

The Aries point, which is the intersection of the celestial equator and the ecliptic (path that heavenly bodies, the Sun in this case, take across the sky, as seen from Earth), moves slightly backwards each year. The change is about a degree every 70 years. There are 30 degrees in each of the 12 astrology signs.

This discrepancy is reflected in the Sidereal zodiac, but not the Tropical zodiac, which is the dominant zodiac used in Western astrology.

11 other, related points are listed below.

1. Just as the usage of 13 signs was considered in the very early days of astrology and the model of 12 signs prevailed, 13 numbers on the standard clock was considered, but 12 prevailed. This doesn’t mean that it’s 13 p.m. and not 1 p.m. tomorrow, an hour after Noon, obviously.

2. It’s pointless to begin using a 13th sign of the zodiac (“Ophiuchus”) because systems of astrology have been developed over thousands of years using 12 signs, not 13.

Astronomers and others calling for the “…zodiac signs to be overhauled because they are no longer accurate,” are invited to put aside the Sidereal zodiac (related to astrology) and consider the Tropical zodiac, like astrologers have done since Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD. In studying the merits of the Tropical zodiac, they will see that there is no need for an “overhaul” or a 13th sign, and that your Sun sign has not changed.

The vast majority of even the most basic astrology chart calculators on the Internet are already based on the Tropical zodiac, and most Western astrologers employ the Tropical zodiac, which includes 12 signs.

3. A person born under a Gemini Sun today using the Tropical zodiac, has a Gemini Sun, just as a person born under a Sagittarius Sun has a Sagittarius Sun. Natal charts aren’t affected by precession.

4. Precession affects the calculation of transits and solar return charts (which are minor factors anyway), for example, but not many other, much more important cyclical timing methods. Besides, you can still adjust Tropical solar return charts and transit charts (and other precession-affecting methods), and many astrology programs already do this for you.

5. The Sidereal zodiac does pre-date the Tropical zodiac. However, it’s archaic and shouldn’t be used as a primary zodiac.

Sidereal zodiac (the zodiac of the constellations) advocates will tell you, “…but Sidereal is the ‘oldest astrology,’ it’s the basis for Hindu astrology!”

It’s also the basis for other ancient forms of astrology, including Babylonian, and this is not to be confused with other forms of ancient Babylonian prediction, which aren’t based on astrology (Sidereal or Tropical based) as we know it.

Furthermore, Babylonian, Chaldean, and Greek astrology predate Hindu (otherwise known as “Vedic,” “Jyotish,” and “Indian”) astrology, and evidence shows the Hindus borrowed heavily from these cultures.

6. Using the Sidereal zodiac stems from a time when they had limited understanding of the dynamics of the solar system, and this planet.

The Sidereal zodiac is based on fixed stars, and this is where the problem is. I value fixed stars, but not in the way that the Sidereal system uses them (fixing the degrees of the Ecliptic to fixed stars).

The Ascendant (Rising sign), in my opinion, is where the Eastern horizon intercepts the Ecliptic. This is so in the Tropical zodiac system, but not the Sidereal.

7. You won’t find your “real” (Sun) sign, “real” Ascendant/Rising sign, “real” Moon sign,” or any other sign by using the Sidereal zodiac.

8. The origins of the actual astrological horoscope (horoscopic astrology), which includes the Ascendant/Rising sign, etc. is traced back to Hellenistic Egypt (about 330 BC – 30 BC).

Prior to this time (when the Hindus and others adopted horoscopic astrology), my findings show that most ancient systems of astrology were heavily laden with fables, folklore, and myths.

9. Although the foundations of astrology were established thousands of years ago, it was in Hellenistic Egypt that the science began its climb to its pinnacle, which transpired in the Middle Ages.

However, since the 1700s AD or so, astrology has been in a serious state of decline. Almost all of the “astrology” of today, including Sun sign astrology and “horoscopes” isn’t authentic astrology. It’s mere poetry and entertainment, comparable to fortune cookie insight.

10. Regarding yourself only as a “Pisces” or a “Cancer,” for example, is cheating yourself. You’re a collection of symbolic energies that includes the Sun in whichever sign it was in at the time of your birth, but to identify yourself as a single sign is too limiting.

Also, you might just be associating yourself with the weakest and most hindered part of your basic horoscope.

For instance, if you have natal Sun in Aquarius (Sun in detriment) in the 12th house (a weak house), and your Sun is assaulted by a few different malefic heavenly bodies/factors to start, celebrating the Sun in Aquarius with a tattoo of the sign of Aquarius on your body is like rejoicing in baldness (“look, my hair is thinning! Love it!”), and wearing a tattoo of a bald guy. Even worse would be if you had Sun’s ruler (in this case Saturn, in ancient astrology Saturn rules Aquarius) also in bad health.

If you insist on identifying with one specific sign, locate the most potent heavenly body in your comprehensive charts (very often it’s not the ruler of the Ascendant/Rising sign, by the way, and the “chart ruler” is not automatically the ruler of the Ascendant/Rising sign) and the sign it’s in and focus on that. Chances are, it’s not the Sun.

11. Did you know that the Sun changes signs every year at different times and days, within a few days?

For example,

September 22, 1987 at 1 p.m. PDT the Sun was at 29 degrees, 16 minutes Virgo.

September 22, 1988 at 1 p.m. PDT the Sun was at 00 degrees, 01 minutes Libra.

September 22, 1989 at 1 p.m. PDT the Sun was at 29 degrees, 46 minutes Virgo.

Another example:

March 21, 1966 at 2 a.m. EDT, the Sun was at 00 degrees, 10 minutes Aries.

March 21, 1971 at 2 a.m. EDT, the Sun was at 29 degrees, 58 minutes Pisces.

March 21, 2009 at 2 a.m. EDT, the Sun was at 00 degrees, 45 minutes Aries.

Another example:

January 20, 1957 at 9 a.m. EST, the Sun was at 00 degrees, 16 minutes Aquarius.

January 20, 1971 at 9 a.m. EST, the Sun was at 29 degrees, 51 minutes Capricorn.

January 20, 1977 at 9 a.m. EST, the Sun was at 00 degrees, 24 minutes Aquarius.

It’s important to correctly calculate the details of your personal astrology. More information and clarity about “cusp” birthdays here.

Although basic astrology can serve as a fair introduction to the science, comprehensive astrology and numerology, along with handwriting analysis are very effective tools for self-understanding.

These forms of personality delineation and prediction also serve in helping you make the most of your life, avoid more of life’s challenges, and reduce your overall risk.

Copyright © 2011 Scott Petullo